I agree...And only those who have walked in our shoes, are the ones who fully understand. When we come in here and express things, so often we are misunderstood by others. We all have done that. Here I go again putting you all in the barrel with me..bad sister, bad, bad, bad.. Truth is... life is not all about the bowl of Cherrios, cookies and cream. There's some crazy women and men out there. Looks like each one of us has at one time or another...loved them...then we had to leave them.

We need negative just as well as postive...keep us running, just like our car battery..that battery needs a - and +..otherwise it's just going to stay dead.. balance as we know is the key. I say you all are well balance..

There's another crazy thought of mine.

God knows our hearts...and that's good enough for me.

Yes and Amen! Pastor was preaching about Jesus didn't mind showing His wounds to Thomas, they were there. We need to all get to the place where we don't mind showing ours to each other, or the burdens we are carrying. They are real. I want deny mine aren't there.

Men have their battles, I think every man and woman should listen to the sermon by TD Jakes..He-emotions. Wow, I cried through the whole sermon. It's about the struggles men go through and more. What role we (women) play in that. If you are interested, some of that sermon is on youtube.

They shouldn't be. Those who aren't are the ones who have success with them.

I do not think a man should tag after a woman like a puppy trying to lick up every cookie crumb that falls from her lips as she nibbles on a cookie.  That is hard to respect and which to be attracted.

But I do think that men need to care and be concerned about the thoughts and feelings of the woman in whom they are interested. I do think a man who can balance his tenderness with his toughness as a man is most attractive. And this takes real strength, reserve, forthrightness, and effort on his part.  He can wag his tail in playfulness, but not in any way pathetic, if you understand my point.  If he acts too non-chalant, he may be playing a game, being manipulative, or seeking to have the power in a relationship.  I do not believe either should have power, especially one over the other.  God must be given the reins.

And for myself, it is a two-way street.  I am not the type that keeps asking, "What are you thinking, Dear?".  That bugs me.  Unless it has a real purpose, such as something we are planning or working on together..brainstorming. ...What do you think?  Because he values my intelligence and input.  I do not do it to fill empty space or in needing any assurance.  

The man I like tends to ask:  "How are you doing?" or "How was your day?"  A man who loves a woman will ask these things.  A man who loves a woman will want to know.  The key I think is for the woman to not go on and on examining every angle of her day and drone on.  I think she should capsulize, and then follow up a little more if he asks for any specific details.

Likewise, the man.

The Word tells us a man is to live in understanding with his wife. "Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with them according to knowledge, giving honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life; that your prayers be not hindered." 1 Peter 3:7. This is a process.  Part of the process of wooing a woman is to learn to understand her more, how she thinks, how she responds to certain things, what might be on her mind....how to love "her", because every woman is different.  And if the relationship moves to marriage the man will have developed this in himself and purposed it in the relationship.

Sometimes I think some men note the similar things that are apparent in many females and stick women in one box, rather than noting that while she is female and has some female tendencies as other women might, there are also things which make her unique and separated. She is not his mom, his sister, his aunt, his female co-worker.  Then when a man finds a more suitable woman to himself, he can sometimes blow it by doing this.  I know I need my own separate box.  My own muffin tin, so to speak.  I may do some things like his mom...but be way opposite in some ways, too.

And I see some women tending to put "men" in a box.  Like all men do this or all men are like this, when each man may have similar tendencies to other men, but is unique and needs to be understood as to how he is, how he thinks, how he feels, what matters to him as a man.  

Lack of interest on the part of the man is just that: lack of interest and any clear compassion, empathy, care, or concern. And love.  This will also blow it.  It is too to one side.  So a man is called upon to balance his masculinity in response to a woman for a successful relationship.  Likewise, she is called to balance her femininity. I see sometimes that some women treat men as their servant or beast-o-burden.  And yes..we are to be servants...but this is in a different way.  It is like she dumps all responsibility on him to keep her propped up, keep her happy, have him at her beck and call.  That will not work either.

For a successful relationship both will need to care...how the other thinks and feels....but in balance.  It will always be a balancing act going on in come respects between a man and a woman....even when married. Or a dance...as I often term it.

~HoneyGold

Actually, Yrnufella, anyone can get college aid. Men can get any of the things you mentioned, and women can also get jail.

What is it exactly that you mean that "women have forgotten the purpose of woman was to complete man,not the other way around?"

INIT4HIM

Just to clarify...this post is a spoof of one of a certain very copious contributor here...name escapes me... who posts this over and over, and over, and over...he has like a dozen identical posts (this is one) that he posts and posts under different threads or different topics, sometimes starting identical threads under the same (or different) topics, just in case we don't get it the first time...or the second time...or the thirty-second time.

Also, when a woman hears, "the woman was made for the man" or as it's put here, "women have forgotten the purpose of woman was to complete man,not the other way around?" most hear, "I me I me I me I me I me I me." "It's all about ME. I'm the man, I'm the important one, you're the accessory."

I4H

I agree Steve ... we should all have a voice/presence here as they are covered by Jesus' words:

"Come to me, all of you who are weary and carry heavy burdens, and I will give you rest."

Of course there will be those we disagree with or don't get along with, but we all carry burdens that we can share with each other.

I may have not said it in the exact way that yrunfella said things, but I agree with much of what he had to say.  Men are treated much more poorly by our governments than women ... there are few if any shelters for men in cities, yet there are many in jail for not being able to support their ex wives because of the poverty those heartless women threw them into after the men walked away from their abuse.  The laws are definitely skewed in favor of women in North America regardless of circumstances.  There are dead beat fathers, but that does not mean that only dead beat fathers are thrown into jail.  In many many cases the male gender is assumed guilty without trial and our justice system attacks the male without knowing anything of circumstances.

Do we have to "like" someone to let them speak here now?

What is it that you dislike so much about him?  I see hurt in his writing ... he started the thread here initially asking the question, likely out of personal pain and experience. AND NO! I DON'T believe that women don't suffer equally from painful experiences! I know they do!

I'm curious as to why it has been only females voices here in the past few months that have echoed the sentiments like ... "I like to see him/her gone!".  Maybe there are males that think the same only not so bold or brash to express it openly? I dunno