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Jesus said (among other things)

“Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.” ” (Matthew 28:19–20, ESV)

Does anyone have a list of all that He has commanded us to teach?

I do not think I have ever seen this addressed in a forum and books are always lop sided in that discussion cannot take place and the authors view is not challenged. It might be interesting to compile some scriptures along this line.

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Good post Earl! [thumbup] [thumbup]

That's right ,  "...teaching them..."
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"If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple. Above all else, guard your heart, for it is the wellspring of life." (Lk. 14:26; Prov:14:26).
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Everyone needs to be instructed in the way of righteousness. The first verse I noticed in Matthew was Jesus Himself being baptized  “But Jesus answered him, “Let it be so now, for thus it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness.” Then he consented. ” (Matthew 3:15, ESV) This would seem to be the first outward act we are commanded to participate in. The first itself would be the dealing with ones heart as seen here.  “Therefore let us leave the elementary doctrine of Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, ” (Hebrews 6:1, ESV)

The message in the Gospels has inherent in it the need to pray and study in deciding what we are called to obey and what we are not. The reason being is much of it was time specific in that it was directed to those who lived under the law. This law was soon to pass away as a means in itself of attaining righteousness and and would be seen as the vehicle God chose to bring man to a place of acknowledgment that he can never attain righteousness apart from the grace of God Himself and faith in that. Paul wrote it like this: The Law was sent as a tutor to lead men to Christ.

1. I would say that the first command we need to obey, indeed the one all men are commanded everywhere to obey is repent for God has fixed a day when He will judge the earth. We need to repent, have faith toward God by trusting in Jesus risen from the dead and be baptized as He Himself was.

“The times of ignorance God overlooked, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent, because he has fixed a day on which he will judge the world in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed; and of this he has given assurance to all by raising him from the dead.” ” (Acts 17:30–31, ESV)


 
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I think the FIRST commandment is "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment. And the second is like it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On tthese two commandments depend all the law and the prophets" (Matt 22:37 - 40)


sometimes we forget about these verses, or close our mind off to parts of it. When we do that it becomes that much harder to draw closer to God. And the things we should be following become stumbling blocks because we missed the first two commandments (of the New Law, as declared by Jesus)

repenting becomes harder, going to prayer becomes harder, asking forgiveness becomes harder ........ etc

and then when we tell ourselves ' I did this, this & that but left out another thing or two and trying to justify to ourselves that it is OK, we end up falling farther down the slippery slope we have created. If only we had listened to God (with all our heart, soul & mind). We end up sometimes becoming hardened like the Pharisees in the Bible



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Jesus said (among other things)

“Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.” ” (Matthew 28:19–20, ESV)

Does anyone have a list of all that He has commanded us to teach?

I do not think I have ever seen this addressed in a forum and books are always lop sided in that discussion cannot take place and the authors view is not challenged. It might be interesting to compile some scriptures along this line.

shalom and love, earl



Good points Earl and SEWING. Infact SEWING has very good stuff there, sums it well and what you(Earl) elaborated complements what she's put forth very well.

Earl, I want to make sure that I've understood the question correctly before I answer. Indeed, everybody needs to be instructed in righteousness, I agree fully, especially me. I have understood your question based on the part of Scripture you  singled out for us to look at. If I follow context, the Apostles/disciples were already believers and were being instructed on what to do with the new believers they'll lead into the Kingdom -- that is, after the harvest's in, what then they should be taught  to observe as the Lord commanded. Is this correct understanding of the question, that  the focus is on them or have I misunderstood you pls?   In other words, they'll have to observe what we observe -- would you agree?

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I think the FIRST commandment is "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment. And the second is like it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On tthese two commandments depend all the law and the prophets" (Matt 22:37 - 40)


What SEWING said....

Teach those two things first. Actually.... live those out first....
Everything else will fall naturally into place.

If one wants to teach what Jesus taught... start right there.
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Mat 4:17  From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
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NewMerices said, "If I follow context, the Apostles/disciples were already believers and were being instructed on what to do with the new believers they'll lead into the Kingdom -- that is, after the harvest's in, what then they should be taught  to observe as the Lord commanded. Is this correct understanding of the question, that  the focus is on them or have I misunderstood you pls?   In other words, they'll have to observe what we observe -- would you agree?"

I think you have correctly understood me. It would seem that some of the things God taught the first apostles are things that we as Gentile believers and post 1st century Christians are not required to adhere to. I am of the opinion that is what Paul meant when he referred to the preaching of 'his gospel' that it was different from the John the Baptizer's gospel and from the gospel that Jesus Himself actually taught. The Gospel that Jesus taught was specific in that it was directed to a people who lived under the Law as opposed to those who lived only under their own conscious. This was referenced in His words directed to the woman who spoke the words that delighted his heart,'that even the dogs eat the crumbs under the masters table.' at that time He was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.

I think SKNNAB's answer is close to the truth in that we need to be careful that we do not escape the simplicity of the Gospel and become bound by the rules and regulations of this world, things that are quickly foisted on the unsuspecting by well meaning but ignorant ministers at best or out right scoundrels at worse. I would, myself, by willing to give whole hearted endorsement to that scripture as the only answer that is needed (which in reality must be the truth) except the epistles are filled with counsel and advice that should not be overlooked and that gives me pause to ponder. I seems that we are in need of teaching that helps us to see clearly what the vertical and horizontal love walk is in the eyes of God. That may be the best way I can think of to express it. And this has become much more of a rambling on thought process then I would have liked, except I like what I am thinking as I write.
gotta love Him, amazing what He puts up with as He equips the saints for this world and for fellowship in the age to come.

“All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned—every one—to his own way; and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all. ” (Isaiah 53:6, ESV)

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I understand that there are numerous programs for the new disciples  out there, and the most I’ve seen are good. It is however of utter significance to make sure that those who come to Christ get taught what Christ taught and commanded. I believe this helps the fruits grow, stand/remain and be equipped for good works unto maturity and Unity in Christ, so much so that they too will go and bring others in/do Kingdom work/serve others.

Some of the things we‘re to teach are recorded in the Gospels, others are in Acts of the Apostles and in the Epistles. These things embrace the various duties in the affinity of Christian life and faith/disciplines. Looking at how Jesus and the Apostles did things, it seems to me that we aren't only to teach/instruct them but also train and facilitate their learning of those commandments(Deut. 32:11 Eph. 4:11&12.)

SEWING has summed The Law of Christ/The Law of faith, really well:

This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another."(Rom. 3:27, 13:8-10,27, Gal. 5:14, 6:2, Jam.2:8, 1Jhn.3:23, 2Jhn).

"... not as though I were writing to you a new commandment, but the one which we have had from the beginning, that we love one another." (2 Jhn. 1:5)
"28 Therefore they said to Him, 'What shall we do, so that we may work the works of God?' 29 Jesus answered and said to them, 'This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent.'" (Jhn. 6:28-29)
"A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another. 35 By this all men will know that you are My students, if you have love for one another." (Jhn. 13:34-35)

Also:
i) Belief/what to believe in the name of God's Son Jesus Christ, which is equated to loving Him according to. Haven’t they believed already one may ask. They have. Yet, belief/love is a continual thing. (Jhn. 16:27, 1 Pet. 1:8 )
ii) Obedience, since Jesus equates obedience to believing in the Son:
If you love me, you will obey what I command.(Jhn.14:15,21, 23, 15:10,1Jhn.5:3, 2Jhn.1:6)
iii) All that’s in the Beatitudes/Sermon on the Mount.

Lk. 24:44 Then He said to them, "These are the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms concerning Me."
45 And He opened their understanding, that they might comprehend the Scriptures.
46 Then He said to them, "Thus it is written, and thus it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead the third day,
47 and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

Lk. 24:25 Then He said to them, "O foolish ones, and slow of heart to believe in all that the prophets have spoken. 26 Ought not the Christ to have suffered these things and to enter into His glory? 27 And beginning at Moses and all the Prophets, He expounded to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning Himself.

Mat.5:17 "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. Now fulfill is fulfill  and NOT destroy is just that – what then does Jesus mean and how did he do this fulfilling? Jesus was talking about coming to fulfill all the Prophesies that are contained in the Mosaic Law and the Prophets concerning His First Coming. 18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one title will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. 19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Vs17 - According to Greek Grammar, Jesus  isn’t saying that the Law won’t pass away until heaven and earth pass away. But that it won’t pass away UNTIL all is fulfilled. He did fulfill all the Prophesies pertaining to his first coming. If this is so then the Law too did. But then how come we still see him and the Apostles admonish through the same principles that encapsulated the 10 comms for example? What did Jesus his Covenant bring which wasn’t there in the Old one?

NOTICE: Looking at the Apostles, especially Paul, we find that each of his/their Epistles befit a cultural context/setting of their day, which may apply to our day by principle as we too have our own share of similar or even different occasions to face. This gives us proof that the Word/or that which we’re to teach has a time time transcending factor to it – serving  generations, until the day of Jesus Christ.
 
And, what does he mean when he talks of “these commandments”. Which ones? Jesus is either referring to Mat 5:3 -16 or  the rest of the Beatitudes/Sermon on the Mount. We know this because of the Greek demonstrative pronoun “these” which can either be a Postcedent or an antecedent, which would refer to the complete Sermon on The Mount. At this stage, it’s more sound to regard the whole Sermon on the Mount as opposed to only these few vss he had shortly talked abt. Such judgement does no harm.

Also,
Mat 7:24 "Therefore whoever hears these sayings of Mine, and does them, I will liken him to a wise man who built his house on the rock.
….brings the point home safely. Which sayings?  All he had shared in Mat. 5, 6 & 7. Thank you Lord!

So from LOVE all the way to the Sermon on the Mount and back to LOVE, camp at LOVE, in all its facets,  is a great place to start with. With time, more will be okay, like reading their Bibles, since they have to know what he said, whom he was, the Father/the Trinity he came to make known, how to reach out to others, their being salt and light, etc., etc., and so forth.

Looking at what the commandments are, one may have an argument as to why then we teach so much more . We do this  because the God we serve is a moral God and the Book we hold is vast, and is written unto us who have believed. We do this because by following in the footsteps of the Apostles  we see what they taught, especially by looking at their contextual surroundings in the light of the Word, wherefrom we’re urged to/learn to contend for our faith and be ready at all times to give an account of our faith, when asked/confronted with a need for such. Issues concerning science, dogmatic/philosophical speculations, -isms/worldviews  and human creeds other than the biblical worldview, although Christ hasn’t commanded these directly, are covered in this way. We want to know God and make him known. Jesus Christ is the Way, the Truth and the Life.(1Ti m6:20,2Tim 2:23, Jude 3 ).

It blesses me to see that the Apostles were very obedient and very keen to see to it that they taught what Jesus commanded in the midst of it all. We're supposed to be quite a busy people, aren't we? [pray] And in all this, he's with us untill the end of the age.

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I have not read this entire thread but here are some thoughts I have

My understanding from the gospels is that Jesus went about teaching the Kingdom...or the Gospel of the Kingdom. It seems to me we truly need more understanding of the Kingdom and its principles, economics, systems etc. However our first step would be to know the King and His nature, character, mind, person, and commandments. Every Kingdom has laws and we must know His.

I truly believe it is because the Kingdom is not taught properly or deeply enough for the most part in Christiandom, that is the reason we have so much dysfunction in the Body. When one recognizes them self as a Kingdom citizen and begins to apply its attributes or assimilates to the Kingdom, they will change the way they live and believe. It is quite clear in the Word that the "Kingdom" message can be received, believe, or refused.
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I agree JLB. The Kingdom message has to be brought across soundly. For the lack of being aquainted with it, a lot marks time, is being refused and even fought, to the detriment of the Body. Where it has been welcomed though, it has been glorious. I believe the King would want the disciples to know not only him but also how to live in the Kingdom as you pointed out. You summed it well too, it's abt the Kingdom and the Kingdom prins which encapsulate the whole person in the here and now and after.
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There are very few out there teaching the true kingdom principles , most Christians are being lied to , miss lead , and deceived about there rightfull place and because of that they are weak and hurting and don't know what to do. If God is the same yesterday , today and forever !
All that he gave to Jesus is ours also , as Jesus himself said he gave it to us and we should be able to use it.
It's such a shame that many are being told that was for then but not for today. What are most Christians going to do when all hell breaks loose ? They will not be strong enough or have the knowledge to make it on there own through Jesus.
I see many hurting and falling already and they are turning to the stronger Christians asking for help . Well , It's going to be like the ten virgins and that's a terrible shame but it's going to happen.
The best thing they can do is find a strong preacher and teacher who will teach the whole message and truth of Jesus. That will be the way out of there down hill slide.
I have a friend who thinks going to church , tithing , and having a leader over you is not of God ! yet he is hurting and can not take proper care of his own family , He has refused to consider that maybe he is wrong ? SO life goes on for him and not the way God wants it for any of us.
I am so amazed at how Christains will put there whole life into the hands of whom ever but not think about putting there whole life in Gods hands
Gods Spiritual laws work , one only needs to know the truth and follow them and they will reap the benefits of them.

I want to brag on the Lord , his word works and I have the benefit of having it work in my life very strongly , it not by my might but by his word .  I see God working in my life all the time and yes I expect him to as he said he would.  I was fortunate to have a very  strong , preacher of righteousness  over me for lets see , 25 yrs now and had it not been for him and his teaching I doubt I would be living a life as peacefull , joyful and fruitful as I do now.

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Keep on bragging brother!  [thumbup]
Those who boast must boast in the Lord!
Once again God will shake the heavens and the earth and all that is in it.
Only those who stand on the Rock will not be shaken and shattered.
Only what is built upon Him as the Cornerstone who holds the foundation together,will be able to stand.
With Him all things are possible!
He is the same; yesterday, today and forever!!!
Blessed are those who put their trust in Him, and build their lives on His Word and promises. They will never be disappointed, never put to shame.


Let the weak say, I am strong,
Let the poor say, I am rich,
Let the blind say, I can see,
What the Lord has done in me!!!




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I want to brag on the Lord , his word works and I have the benefit of having it work in my life very strongly , it not by my might but by his word .  I see God working in my life all the time and yes I expect him to as he said he would.  I was fortunate to have a very  strong , preacher of righteousness  over me for lets see , 25 yrs now and had it not been for him and his teaching I doubt I would be living a life as peacefull , joyful and fruitful as I do now.


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I surely plan on bragging on the Lord with out him , I am nothing and with out him I can do nothing and with him I would be nothing !
All things are possible to those who are in Christ Jesus !

Thats an interesting statement , as it implys you have to know who you are and whats availible to us and act on it before we will see the fruit of the word.
The word of God is alive and sharper than any two edge sword , those who believe it and trust in it will reap the bennifits of it.

Oh, yes you also have to trust that God means what he says and will do what he promised and thats the truth and the facts .
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