Spoken by a wise women who understands the issues while Americans sleep thinking
all is well.

KP

If we look at history, we find that war is always started by relatively small groups on both sides. Then it escalates into full nations. Hitler was one man with a new type of government originally, but he used the post war economy of Germany to his advantage and found backing. The civil war was started by a group of 6 people on the side of the north and 2 on the south. They kept going until it became war, even though a peaceful solution had been agreed upon.

Yes, we have another civil war brewing in America's underbelly. Led by groups who use racial hatred, religion, politics, anything in their power. Hopefully, America will wake up and figure out that Islam alone is not the problem, they are being used just like the racial hate groups like the KKK and Black Panthers. As long as these people can keep these groups hating each other, they control America's future.

It's interesting to note that German scientist Robert Oppenheimer was not at the head of his field in nuclear weaponry at the close of WWII ... the Nazi Germans and Japanese had a big head start ... it is also noteworthy that the same Muslim groups that strap bombs on themselves or fly planes into buildings have also had nuclear capability for many years now (they could easily steal fissionable material from several reactors in the middle east ... they could steal it from different sources ... Iran, Pakistan, Libyia, etc already have nuclear bombs al Qaeda is know to have obtained fissionable material from Russia... I'm curious why people think that these radical groups have not resorted to nuclear attacks yet? I think it is because God will not allow it. He has plans for us and won't let radicals wipe this planet out of existence.

We don't know the answer to the problem of pain, or why God allows tragedy to happen, but we can still have faith in His Word that He is in control and loves us all.  In the end He has a place prepared for us in Glory ... that Kingdom is where I have my eyes set!  But while we are down here, we are to love our enemies ... do good to those who hate us ... and win them to His Kingdom by our love.

Yes.

I find it hard to let my guard down with anyone new ... I even find it hard to trust females since my divorce, yet no other females have hurt me like my ex did and I do other females wrong by judging them by their gender ... they had nothing to do with my ex ... I do try to work on my fear of others though because for me it is as if I am insulting God by not trusting Him to do what He has called me to do ... in some cases He has called me to do some dangerous things ... yet He has always been faithful.  I don't distrust all Muslims, but I also don't think any have found truth when they have not found Jesus... they are lost until they can be shown the way through the Gospel.

I think what others and I were reacting about most negatively was not any particular poster ... it was the mood of jumping on a race of people because they were believing in something was not really true. Then there was the snowballing inflammatory reaction that ALL Muslims were evil and had a general agenda of hate because that is all the Quran teaches they thought (I also can't agree with that and can't find that predominant message of hate in their bible -- doesn't mean I get anything from the Quran -- I shudder when I read it -- would rather read the Word of God ... I know that the Quran has a section in it on war but I don't see hate on every page ... I see the opposite -- it is hard to reach a Muslim for Christ if we approach them with things of their faith that are based on misunderstanding and sometimes lies... that I will never agree with ... doesn't mean I support what they believe ... they are humans that have done no wrong. They don't deserve to be hated for the color of their skin or the faith they were born into.

One poster here (she has a sweet spirit) mistakenly heard that Nelson Mandela had been killed and relayed that to us here... it was actually one of his family ... she didn't lie and I would never suspect of her lying to us here ... she is a sweetheart ... it was a misunderstanding only... but we can sometimes also be party to someone else's agenda of hate just by repeating an inflammatory thing that is based on some lie way back because it sounds right but actually has a hateful agenda behind the story.

Where do you see anyone saying otherwise? I was talking of ANYONE ... Any person ... that is new to me ... a stranger to me ...

Please don't put words in my mouth.  I don't support Islam ... but I do have a heart for Muslims to win them to the Lord ... I don't hate them. It's somewhat unfortunate that old thread was deleted ... people didn't stop with disliking Islam ... they hated all Muslims ... one poster stopped very shy of saying "the only good Muslim is a dead Muslim". I have consistently said I have no use for the Quran ... it was and is a deceit of the evil one ... but I will not support hatred against Muslims based on lies about what their bible doesn't say ... I don't think God will honor deceit to win them to Christ ... in this, the end does not justify the means.

My repost above of what the Quran does say about tolerance and understanding of Christianity was originally in context with the statement by a poster that "It is little wonder they all think it okay to be suicide bombers, it's all the Quran teaches". I reacted by asking them where they see this? They responded with, "The whole thing teaches only hate and killing".  I posted quotes that showed otherwise ... not because I like the Quran ... I shudder when I read it ... but it was hard to swallow the other posters blatant mistruths or ignorance of what other religions taught.  That is not a tactic I find works with any faith or religion ... how can they be won for Christ with mistruths?

It sometimes seems that we are speaking a different language here and people cannot keep to the subject at hand without taking off on a wild out of context spin to drive a different agenda.

There is no Mosque being built on ground zero ... never was ... never will be ... fear mongering will not change that. Accusing all Muslims (even long standing good citizens) as being time bombs waiting to go off (a poster used these words also in the previous threads) is wrong! Condemning all Muslims to be hateful and not deserving to even live in the country (some posters even inferred this) is hate and bigotry. Some of the posters got even nastier... I won't repeat what they said.

The cultural center was planned years before 9/11, blocks away from where the twin towers stood.

Find some other reason to promote hate towards Muslims.  You can try to hide behind ideologies that have truth ... it doesn't hide the hatred ... at least not to outside readers.

What message do you think open condemnation of a religion if based on race, color of skin or faith will be first seen by onlookers looking for truth in a Christian conference? Will they see tolerance? Will they see love? Will they see compassion for all men regardless of race, sex or religion? NO!  They will see hate.

Yes ... some of it was horrible!  Much of it was based almost entirely on the misunderstanding that a "bunch of violent ragheads" were going to be singing and dancing in their Mosque in celebration of the events of 9/11.  Not everybody was saying this... but it was heading there with some!

The first round of posts ended with the deletion of thread soon after the moderators started asking "WHY ALL THE HATE?"

Then another poster reopens the thread, and we get round 2 or the misunderstanding of the Mosque That Would Never Be with the same lack of tolerance and love for all Muslims starting to happen. I found the topic that "God is not in control" and "men had to take everything into their own hands because God couldn't do anything about it",  hardest to take in Round 2. Wow

Yes some people think when one is passionate against something,
then they are operating in hate!!
What does that say, it says that they are being governed by emmotion.

There are people who think that it is going to be God that will do everything, which is not true, the heathen think because there is no God, or that if there is one he is distant and not involved so man has to do it all.

The truth is and always has been since the creation of man to have dominion over the earth, that man is to do the work.

Man doing the work without God, leads to dominion over man.
Man leaving God to do the work, and the ungodly will take control.
However man yoked with Christ, walking by the Spirit, not having his own agenda but the Kingdom's agenda is taking the responsibility God has place in their hands.

KP