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BG my first response is always to seek God and pursue Him for help. I was not aware that we were discussing rehab programs....when did that come up in the subject. Seemed to me we were discussing giving financial aid to the poor. I am not opposed to rehab programs so long as money is not offered that they can use to get more substance for their abuse. If anyone is given government money/aide i think they should be investigated and kept accountable.  I do get a bit tired of money being taken from hard working citizens to aid those who ultimately will not help themselves nor change....and show no willingness or consideration to progress toward change. 
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Put on your kevlar and riot helmet Lady J .. the libs are coming after you.  They strongly believe in Uncle Sam to cure all social ills.  If u do not agree with them they will argue until they're blue in the face.  They will try to convince you that you are not politically correct for u do not agree with them.  We put our faith in God, family, church, and even community.  They put their faith in big government.  All hail Uncle Sam.  Seig Hiel!  LoL  God bless the government! because without it we'd be trogladyte heathen infidels running amuck like idiots on fire.  LoL  [roflrofl]  [laugh]

BG:  You should know that most rehab patients are not successful anyway.  Most of the patients stay on drugs.
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  I do get a bit tired of money being taken from hard working citizens to aid those who ultimately will not help themselves nor change....and show no willingness or consideration to progress toward change. 


This I do agree with. There are 2 extremes on this topic with a middle ground. One extreme is to cut off all government help to those in need and that people should automatically recover themselves out of any hole they are in and be left to hang. This is a very cold view. The other extreme is to provide help , more help and more help without holding people accountable. The middle ground is to have help available but keep people from abusing that help. From what I hear it sounds like you're near the middle which is where I am at also.

Yes, ultimately we are to rely on God but how many people out there even know where to start when it comes to that?
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  They strongly believe in Uncle Sam to cure all social ills.  If u do not agree with them they will argue until they're blue in the face.  They will try to convince you that you are not politically correct for u do not agree with them.  We put our faith in God, family, church, and even community.  They put their faith in big government. 

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Ramone, you need to stop making irresponsible and ridiculous statements also.  I'm frankly getting tired of the accusations and mischaracterizations.  It's unseemly for a so-called Christian. 
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Yeah, I think I may have been a bit simplistic BG.  Sorry.  Should I edit my post dear sister?
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That would be good if you are serious, Ramone. 
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This I do agree with. There are 2 extremes on this topic with a middle ground. One extreme is to cut off all government help to those in need and that people should automatically recover themselves out of any hole they are in and be left to hang. This is a very cold view. The other extreme is to provide help , more help and more help without holding people accountable. The middle ground is to have help available but keep people from abusing that help. From what I hear it sounds like you're near the middle which is where I am at also.

Yes, ultimately we are to rely on God but how many people out there even know where to start when it comes to that?

So true Steve....I do agree with all.
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BG:  I'm going to bed soon.  And I'm not sleeping in a shower stall this time. LoL  Could you plz ghost write an acceptable edit for me darling sis?  Yes dear, I am serious.  Smiley
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That would be cheating, Ramone, it would be me doing your thinking for you---but I will be glad to dialogue with you either personally or here on the open forum. 

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I'll do it for you Ramone.  Here's what you COULD have said:

Put on your kevlar and riot helmet Lady J .. the libs are coming after you.  The libs  strongly believe in Uncle Sam to cure all social ills.  If u do not agree with them then we will have to agree to disagree.  they will argue until they're blue in the faceThey will try to convince you that you are not politically correct for u do not agree with them.   We put our faith in God, family, church, and even community.  They do too, but they also put their faith in big government which they believe is appointed by God.  All hail Uncle Sam.  Seig Hiel!  LoL  God bless the government! because without it we'd be trogladyte heathen infidels running amuck like idiots on fire.  LoL   

The real issue here is who should be responsible for societal cures - the government or the christians?  Liberals believe that the government should play a big role in social welfare.

 
BG:  You should know that many rehab patients are not successful anyway.  Most of the patients stay on drugs.  However, I do acknowledge that many people ARE cured, and that therefore you would consider government intervention to be worthwhile. 

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So much better Lav, except that your understanding of what so-called "libs" in this country believe has been colored by the caricatures created by those in opposition.  I don't know ANYone who believes that "Uncle Sam" can cure all social ills.  I DO know many people, including myself, who believe that a just and caring society will care for everyone....and that that includes empowering those who have been disadvantaged in various ways.  And neither do I know anyone who "puts their faith in big government."  I DO know people who believe that government is us--people--banding together to help one another.  If that is "big", it's because we are a big country.   When we go to war, does anyone say, "Oh, you are putting faith in "big government"?  No, we say, we are pulling together as a nation, (at least if it's a just war such as WWII.)  Further, I don't know anyone who specifically believes that the government is appointed by God.  Yes, I believe God allows certain things, some good, some bad--but if I believed governments were appointed by God, I'd have to believe that Hitler and Chairman Mao were appointed by God, and I don't.  I believe our government is elected by the people, some of whom make good decisions based on rational knowledge, some of whom make decisions based on fear and propaganda.  Sometimes, one side takes precedence and sometimes another does.  "Liberals" simply believe that a just and decent society cares for all of its citizens, and have enough grounding in reality to know that Christians cannot and will not be responsible for every social problem.  They also realize that making the world an "us vs. them" proposition does not work, and that only by taking the hands of their neighbors--rich or poor, black or white, Christian or Muslim or atheist, disabled or not, can we go forward, and that by fragmenting and attacking one another we are only weakening our nation and ourselves. 



I'll do it for you Ramone.  Here's what you COULD have said:

Put on your kevlar and riot helmet Lady J .. the libs are coming after you.  The libs  strongly believe in Uncle Sam to cure all social ills.  If u do not agree with them then we will have to agree to disagree.  they will argue until they're blue in the faceThey will try to convince you that you are not politically correct for u do not agree with them.   We put our faith in God, family, church, and even community.  They do too, but they also put their faith in big government which they believe is appointed by God.  All hail Uncle Sam.  Seig Hiel!  LoL  God bless the government! because without it we'd be trogladyte heathen infidels running amuck like idiots on fire.  LoL   

The real issue here is who should be responsible for societal cures - the government or the christians?  Liberals believe that the government should play a big role in social welfare.

 
BG:  You should know that many rehab patients are not successful anyway.  Most of the patients stay on drugs.  However, I do acknowledge that many people ARE cured, and that therefore you would consider government intervention to be worthwhile. 

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Thank you BG for the edit.  You are very kind.  No harm was intended.  I don't think Christ would intend to offend nor should I.  I just shoot from the hip sometimes.  I probably should have kept my mouth shut (or my fingers still.) Smiley  One of the things our pastor said in the sermon today was that we should not sow discord ... and I am in total agreement with that.

Yes I agree that Christians should minister to the community ... but we don't do that adequately so the government does.  I may be idealistic but I think that the church should take a greater role in ministering to people in need.  I often think that if more of us would tithe that the church could better accomplish that.  I think that only about 10 % more or less of church members tithe.  Therefor the outreach of the church is severely limited, moreso than if more people gave (of their time and money).

Pastor also said to be a gentle man ... like Christ was.  Smiley
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Take a simple thing like an automobile accident. Two different witnesses observe it, but from opposite sides of the street. As the police investigate, it will sometimes seem as if the two witnesses are not describing the same accident. Yet each one is telling what he or she saw.

In the 1770's, newspapers in Great Britain and the British Colonies in the New World were not reporting on the skirmishes in the colonies the same way. In England it was an 'uprising' between the 'rebels' and the good British soldiers. On the West side of the pond, it was a fight for liberty against the tyrannical oppression of the King and his thugs.

Was it the same war?

In World War II, the Germans and Japanese people were told they were fighting to protect the 'fatherland'. The people in the countries of the Allies were told it was a fight for freedom for all.

In the 1980s Soviet Russia was fighting a war in Afghanistan. The last Soviet soldier left Afghanistan on February 15, 1989. A civil war continued between the Soviet-supported government and the Mujahideen. Who do you think the USA supported in 1989? Who is the USA fighting against today?

Was the USA wrong then, or wrong now?

In the movie, The Longest Day, there are two consecutive scenes. First, it shows activity in the Allied Headquarters in London, then switches to a similar scene in Nazi Headquarters. In each one, the final sentence uttered by first an Allied soldier, then a German soldier is, "Sometimes I wonder whose side God is on, anyway."

Is my side really God's side and everyone else is wrong? Or, perhaps I should try to listen better?

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Amen Bro Ramone!  I like the ministering part.  When we Christians get out there and do what God has called us to do then we can meet those physical needs and/or emotional needs while bringing God's Word to them to meet their Spiritual needs too.  When we hold back and let the government do it all, then those receiving help for physical/emotional needs don't receive the most important Spiritual help that they need.  The problem is that many of us Christians either stop with the Spiritual or don't even do that very well.  Then we have the audacity to complain about those in government who want to help meet at least two of the three needs.  

God can work through us if we let Him.  If we don't, then He will work through other means such as the government and ways we don't always see.  

Ramone - You have a great gift of seeing people as individuals and reaching out to them.   Watching you in action over a few days made me aware of how many people I pass by without even noticing.  It's as if I don't even see them.  I need to be more observant of those around me who need a kind word, a joke, or even just a smile.   Sometimes I just get too busy with stuff to notice what is really important. Sad

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